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14 May 2009 @ 12:34 pm
I promised some people that I would post here when I underwent the Rite of Parent Divination in the House of Netjer, and so here I am.

Rev. Tamara divined my group (we are a multiple system) as:
Child of Wepwawet-Yinepu
Beloved of Serqet-Aset, Bast, and Ra-Heruakhety

Speaking cynically, we had a number of Gods, including those listed, that would have not caused suprised had they shown up. As well as those there, Heru-wer, Heru-sa-Aset, Sobek, Sekhmet and Sekhmet-Mut, Bast-Mut, and Aset-Serqet all would have fit, with Aset, Bast-Mut and the Herus being ones we could properly justify. As such there was a high chance that the RPD would have 'positive' results.

That said, those who turned up were those we considered most likely.

Wepwawet - A trail of breadcrumbs and hidden notes that culmunated in his name popping up in the most bizarre places in the past months. I was convinced it was not coincidence. His recent sniggering reinforces the idea that it wasn't.

Serqet - Makes sense as a beloved. Recently we bought a tarot bag for an Egyptian deck we bought. It had Aset on it, so we asked permission first. We also asked if she would like to help guide us through the deck. She agreed, on the condition we buy her a statue of her choosing. She felt as if she 'moved in'. In KO teachings, Serqet is Aset, simply her in a different role, different form, different clothes. She's associated muchly (on top of her normal poison references) with abuse victims, of which I am one. She also explains why the God we knew did not feel like the typical Aset we have encountered.

Bast - Has been around since the body was a child, nurturing, being a mother. Recently she has taken a step back. We were worried she would not appear, but she did.

Ra-Heruakhety - We have had MUCH experience with Herus, to the extent we wonder if they have all been playing a silly game with us to see how badly they can confuse us. All we knew was that a Heru, in some form or another, had to show up. Ra-Heruakhety we had never even considered (didn't know of him), but it matches several of our personal experiences.

So, really, I went into this with extreme cynicism, expecting a poor result. I didn't get it. Does this give me perfect faith in the process as a whole? No. I know of people within the faith whose RPD 'missed one', for example. For me though, it worked, and in Serqet and Ra-Heruakhety I got some rather rare (in KO divinations) results. I am more open to the RPD being a valuable (though not infallible) divination technique than I was before. Particularly if you replace 'Parent' with 'primary deity'.

Recent experiences with KO as a whole: Rev Tamara can be a little headstrong, answering what she thinks you asked without letting you correct her, or stamping out doctrine with no wiggle room. This is something I do regularly have problems with when it comes to her. At times it's made me want to throw their rites out of the window and just do my own, which is never a good thing. A problem for me personally at the moment is their rite to become Shemsu-Ankh, which is so tightly oathbound that it's hard to figure out what purpose it truly serves, is a rite that many of the older members didn't have to go through, and I have heard has roots in voodoo and the like (all respect to voodoo, but it just ain't my path).

On the positive side, she does work her ass off, praying for everyone, performing divinations, and doing rituals several times a day on behalf of the Kemetic people. As a spiritual leader (rather than a Nisut), she does pretty well.

Come August I will be attending their week long Wep Ronpet celebrations and activities. If people want me to post my experiences of Rev Tamara as she is in person, then I can certainly do so.
weesieweaselweesieweasel on May 14th, 2009 02:51 pm (UTC)
So you were divined as a group? Am I reading that right? I thought RPD was personal to the individual not thrown out in batches?
Sister Venerable Machine Gun of Truthkangetsuhime on May 14th, 2009 03:46 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I realise now it may not have been clear. We are a multiple system, several people in one body. The Kemetic Orthodox stance is that only one ba, and only one ka, can inhabit a body, and there is one RPD to a ka. We somewhat disagree with their stance, but we were able to accept the idea that different sections of the RPD would hold different meaning for each member of the group.

So, it is "per individual", this particular individual just happens to be multiple :P
weesieweaselweesieweasel on May 14th, 2009 05:00 pm (UTC)
aah I see. I got a wee bit confused as I've been reading that quite a few people, especially women, have been divined as wepwawets
Sister Venerable Machine Gun of Truthkangetsuhime on May 14th, 2009 10:11 pm (UTC)
There have been quite a few Wepwawets, though Wepwawet only kids are (or were :P) relatively rare. Both myself and another girl from my class got Wepwawet only. But rest assured, we were divined seperately.

Now that you mention it, I think both the other Wepwawet only kids I know are female too. Now I'm wondering about this :P It's likely a coincidence though, not a very large sample.
ehsharkie on June 12th, 2009 11:48 am (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but why would a Shemsu -- a full member, and a brand new one at that -- of the House of Netjer be an active member of a community specifically created for people who oppose it?
Sister Venerable Machine Gun of Truth: THESE ARE SERIOUS INTERNETSkangetsuhime on June 12th, 2009 04:05 pm (UTC)
Because I don't believe being a member of a religion means I'm some gullible sap who thinks they fart rainbows? :3

I joined this comm back when I was only just exploring HoN. I'd found very little by way of calm and reasonable objections not centred around an obsession with the idea of a Nisut in my online browsing, so I joined here hoping to see people's opinions. Since I was here, I started commenting with some of my experiences. I offered to post my RPD experiences, IIRC someone said that would be good, so after my RPD I did just that. My aim was to give an honest review of the results, along with personal experiences of Tamara (too often the people who dislike her haven't spoken to her). I saw no reason not to post my promised review just because it wasn't a horrendously bad one.

I continue to be a member even after posting because it is relevant to my interests. HoN is not infallible, and I like to keep an eye on outside opinions and negative experiences. I try to keep a balanced outlook on things.

(Headmate is Shemsu btw, my profile's description of me as a Divined Remetj is correct at this time as I did not take the vows when she did)
ehsharkie on June 24th, 2009 02:49 am (UTC)
I think you are very young and confusing edgy contrariness and the temper tantrums of those who don't get their way with honest intellectual discourse and "debate".

You'll figure it out, I suspect.
Sister Venerable Machine Gun of Truth: Confused Frownkangetsuhime on June 24th, 2009 09:48 am (UTC)
You really have lost me. I know my tone can sometimes be more than a little hard to convey over the internet, but I didn't have any intention of expressing anger, contrariness, or an avoidance of discussion. Mostly as I wasn't feeling any of them at the time.

You asked me why I was here, so I attempted to explain the events that led to me being here and posting this entry. If I have somehow managed to come across as very aggressive or whiny then I sincerely apologise, it was not my intention.
ehsharkie on June 25th, 2009 02:45 am (UTC)
I wasn't talking about you, but about the opinions you'll find in groups like this who from their very name are built on negative heka.

Look at it -- they have no identity except for being *against* something. That is no foundation for anything real or lasting.
Sister Venerable Machine Gun of Truth: Default 2 - Selenekangetsuhime on June 25th, 2009 09:41 am (UTC)
Ah. You replied directly to a comment of mine saying "I think you are", which would normally indicate you were saying what you thought about the person you were speaking to.

I do agree that there's no identity here except being against something, and that isn't going to last. I actually think it's one of the reasons the non-KO temples aren't doing so well, they centre too strongly on "We do this this way, not like them." That said, opposition groups have their place, and they are *meant* to die out when they're no longer needed. I suspect this group will exist for as long as there are bad experiences coming from the HoN.
ehsharkie on June 26th, 2009 04:01 pm (UTC)
Or one could argue that it's the same half-dozen people who have been nursing wounds both real and imagined for the better part of a decade and that feeding them in this manner does very little but keep wounds open.
Sister Venerable Machine Gun of Truth: Default 2 - Selenekangetsuhime on June 28th, 2009 02:32 pm (UTC)
True, that's why I try to just ignore OMG NISUT EBIL SKJHDGF posts and only reply to people who are posting about their rites or such (which I might have experienced and be able to correct them on).

I guess I also post because it seems a damn waste to have this community *be* just for the people nursing real and imagined wounds for all these years. The more people who post up to date opinions that don't reference the currently un-maintained kemet.org website the more useful the content is going to be. I know I'm not the only person who looked for reasoned and current opinions before I entered the House, and I know I'm not the only one who ended up in the religion partly for not being able to find them.

Basically: I agree, but I'm trying to remain optimistic. I figure whether these people move on or not, it's an adequate (if poorly named) area to post critical reviews.
tut2k9tut2k9 on July 31st, 2009 08:57 pm (UTC)
Hi Kangestuhime,
As I write this you're probably en route to their annual retreat. While I have had some pretty negative experiences with the HoN, and I have my own very strong opinions of them, I'm also very interested in hearing firsthand accounts from members and I hope to read your impressions of retreat and Tamara personally. I may have some questions for you later, if you don't mind.
The only bit of opinion I'll offer is that, if you get to feeling like throwing their rites out the window and doing your own, don't suppress that feeling. Try it tentatively and see how you feel with it. Don't tell anyone if you think they might criticize you, but you should always trust your gut instinct. That's my two cents.
Sister Venerable Machine Gun of Truth: Wepwawetkangetsuhime on July 31st, 2009 10:30 pm (UTC)
Not yet! My flight is at ass in the morning on Sunday. I am more than happy to post about how it went and Tamara and answer anything you ask as best I can.

I'm giving myself a lot of time to see if I adjust to their rites (I do them very rarely and a lot of the problems are in part on my end). If after a while more things don't seem to work, I'll either tweak their ritual or if that seems Wrong, try and do another. As you say, gut instinct is better.
tut2k9tut2k9 on August 11th, 2009 08:26 pm (UTC)
Well, hopefully this message finds you back and rested from retreat. I've got some questions for you, what I'm going to do is post them in a separate message. If you could reply to any of them, that would give me a tremendously better idea of the group.
Thanks in advance!
Sister Venerable Machine Gun of Truth: Current Time:kangetsuhime on August 18th, 2009 01:39 pm (UTC)
Back and (finally) rested. Awaiting these questions, though. Unless you were planning to post them in reply to the future wep ronpet entry?
tut2k9tut2k9 on August 18th, 2009 04:49 pm (UTC)
I actually tried to post them here and got an error message saying the 'qeue was full' or somesuch. I have posted them to my journal, so you can see them there, but I will try to post them here again as well. Thanks for asking,